May 11
30
Are Journalists Needed? A #SocialChat with Alan and Friends
I’m watching a Twitter conversation unfold between PR people, writers, journalists and bloggers. The forum is a hash-tag group called #SocialChat. According to co-host @SocialMichelleR,
SocialMichelleR
we are a weekly chat centered on social media and social media marketing #SocialChat -6:03 PM May 30th, 2011
The other co-host is Digital Always Media business partner Alan K’necht. #SocialChat is a group that meets each Monday night at 9PM eastern. Twitter, for those who aren’t Twetters, gives users the ability to create instant interest groups using the #hash-tag character.
Tonight’s topic (loosely) is, “Do we need Journalists in the age of Social Media” The title pulls me like a barroom brawler is drawn to a drunken fight in an alleyway. Tonight’s special guest is reporter turned blogger turned Tweeter, @NicWirtz. It’s a fairly free-form discussion forum.
To sum it up:
NicWirtz @JTDabbagian I think any industry that loses as much of its workforce as journalism has, is in trouble. #socialchat -7:02 PM May 30th, 2011
The entire #SocialChat for this week can be found below this fold.
Topics for coming weeks can be found at socialparler.com
aurita86 @NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR TY both so much for all your input! I appreciate it. #SocialChat -7:03 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @Laurita86 That’s one way to look at it. I prefer to think both as part of the media. #SocialChat -7:03 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR I’m going to collapse after, I have a terminal case of manflu 🙂 #SocialChat -7:02 PM May 30th, 2011
prsingleton RT @NicWirtz: @JTDabbagian I think any industry that loses as much of its workforce as journalism has, is in trouble. #socialchat -7:02 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 RT @SocialMichelleR: If you love the conversation here on #SocialChat, please give us a “like” on facebook http://on.fb.me/m6ioyf -7:02 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 RT @NicWirtz: @JTDabbagian I think any industry that loses as much of its workforce as journalism has, is in trouble. #socialchat -7:02 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @JTDabbagian I think any industry that loses as much of its workforce as journalism has, is in trouble. #socialchat -7:02 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR If you love the conversation here on #SocialChat, please give us a “like” on facebook http://on.fb.me/m6ioyf -7:02 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 RT @aknecht: This is the official wrap as we’re at the top of the hour. Feel free to stay on & chat amongst yourselves. Like we could stop U #SocialChat -7:02 PM May 30th, 2011
prsingleton Thanks for a great #SocialChat @aknecht @SocialMichelleR @NicWirtz -7:01 PM May 30th, 2011
melgallant thx everyone – great chat! 🙂 #socialchat -7:01 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 @NicWirtz So what you’re saying is #journalism is more of a “learned” skill, & #blogging is more indiv. style? #SocialChat -7:01 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht This is the official wrap as we’re at the top of the hour. Feel free to stay on & chat amongst yourselves. Like we could stop U #SocialChat -7:01 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht As many people in #SocialChat have said, too many sources confuses the public. Will they pay for someone to pull that together? -7:01 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor Thanks for an AWESOME #socialChat. Best ever for me. @NicWirtz @aknecht @SocialMichelleR — all! -7:01 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR As always, if you tweeps want to keep chatting, feel free #SocialChat -7:01 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 RT @NicWirtz: @Laurita86 Journalism skills are not difficult to pick up in all honesty, perhaps why it is not viewed well. #SocialChat -7:01 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 @NicWirtz Interesting. Re: mindset of #bloggers and #journalists. #SocialChat -7:00 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht Curation, aggregation, challenging, the things that people that don’t want to do. So normal service then! #SocialChat -7:00 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht And come back next week when we’ll have someone for Raven Tools talking Metrics and Social Media #SocialChat -7:00 PM May 30th, 2011
prsingleton Definitely! RT @SocialMichelleR: @NicWirtz KUDOS for keeping up with this VERY active chat! You rock, man. #SocialChat -7:00 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor @aknecht The role of TV & media will become just that ‘reporting on the best work of bloggers’ . .. Curation & Fact checking. #SocialChat -7:00 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 RT @NicWirtz: @Laurita86 I’ve always thought the main difference between #bloggers and #journalists is mainly mindset. #SocialChat -7:00 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @Laurita86 Journalism skills are not difficult to pick up in all honesty, perhaps why it is not viewed well. #SocialChat -7:00 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR @NicWirtz KUDOS for keeping up with this VERY active chat! You rock, man. #SocialChat -7:00 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 RT @NicWirtz: @Laurita86 Add in contextualisation, curation, some commentary and you’ve got the “standards”. #bloggers #journalistic #SocialChat -6:59 PM May 30th, 2011
JTDabbagian @aknecht @NicWirtz Based on this chat, it seems like this is the future of newspapers and true reporters: (NOTHING) #socialchat -6:59 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 RT @NicWirtz: @Laurita86 After that it’s a question of style, being objective, verifying facts. #bloggers #journalistic #SocialChat -6:59 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 RT @NicWirtz: @Laurita86 First question is should they want to? #bloggers #journalistic #SocialChat -6:59 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @Laurita86 I’ve always thought the main difference between #bloggers and #journalists is mainly mindset. #SocialChat -6:59 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR You are now beyond the two minute warning in regulation play 🙂 #SocialChat -6:59 PM May 30th, 2011
JTDabbagian @NicWirtz And thank the Internet Gods for that. #socialchat -6:59 PM May 30th, 2011
darciegust RT @socialmeteor: MY perfect newspapers w/be staffed by PAID bloggers, earning their spot by building readership w/good writing & engagement. #socialchat -6:59 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @Laurita86 Add in contextualisation, curation, some commentary and you’ve got the “standards”. #bloggers #journalistic #SocialChat -6:58 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht @NicWirtz So is that the future for newspapers? Aggregators of tweets & blog posts, etc. #SocialChat -6:58 PM May 30th, 2011
PaulPinnacle @aknecht The amount of social media focused around courting journalists and traditional press coverage is staggering. #SocialChat -6:58 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @Laurita86 After that it’s a question of style, being objective, verifying facts. #bloggers #journalistic #SocialChat -6:58 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @Laurita86 First question is should they want to? #bloggers #journalistic #SocialChat -6:57 PM May 30th, 2011
prsingleton Like hoping some1 catches video on their phone’s crappy camera RT @aknecht: @PotatoPro I guess Deep Throat would have just… #SocialChat -6:57 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht Good point, but non-traditional journalism exposed Iraq abuses #SocialChat -6:57 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht @socialmeteor But without TV & Radio to report on Wikileaks and give them free press would have known about them? #SocialChat -6:56 PM May 30th, 2011
PotatoPro Got a point RT @aknecht: @PotatoPro I guess Deep Throat would have just but up a blog & tweeted it. But who would have listened? #socialchat -6:56 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @TheCellularGuy New IP laws seem to want to keep the old methods not new tech. #socialchat -6:56 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 RT @SocialMichelleR: LOL RT @aknecht: @PotatoPro I guess Deep Throat would have just put up a blog & tweeted it. But who would have listened? #SocialChat -6:56 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR LMAO!!!! RT @socialmeteor: @aknecht EVERYONE would have listened. Via Wikileaks (grin) #SocialChat -6:56 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @JTDabbagian In the fiery pits of Google hell. #socialchat -6:55 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor @aknecht EVERYONE would have listened. Via Wikileaks (grin) #SocialChat -6:55 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR LOL RT @aknecht: @PotatoPro I guess Deep Throat would have just put up a blog & tweeted it. But who would have listened? #SocialChat -6:55 PM May 30th, 2011
prsingleton Agreed! RT @jimhedger: @potatopro, yes but would it be contextualized correctly or easily misdirected? #SocialChat -6:55 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 @NicWirtz How can #bloggers who write on their own hold themselves accountable using #journalistic standards? #SocialChat -6:55 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht And arguably why we’re losing the ability to critically think. #SocialChat -6:55 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht @PotatoPro I guess Deep Throat would have just but up a blog & tweeted it. But who would have listened? #SocialChat -6:55 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @JTDabbagian Agreed it’s a cost-cutter, don’t want one person’s view of the game to be the official one. #socialchat -6:54 PM May 30th, 2011
jimhedger @potatopro, yes but would it be contextualized correctly or easily misdirected? #socialchat #SocialChat -6:54 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR I was also taught “tight, bright and right.” It does have some benefits I concede. #SocialChat -6:54 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht 7 minutes to go, so get your last questions in for @NicWirtz #SocialChat -6:53 PM May 30th, 2011
PotatoPro @prsingleton @aknecht @NicWirtz Today a story like Watergate would probably break due to an accidental tweet or wikileaks… #socialchat -6:53 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @melgallant My sympathies, it really doesn’t help PR sell a story. #socialchat -6:53 PM May 30th, 2011
JTDabbagian @aknecht: @NicWirtz Still, they were writers taught to investigate. I’m sure a blogger with investigative skills could do it to. #socialchat -6:53 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor @melgallant absolutely. We could call it ‘social capitalism’ #socialchat -6:53 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR Might use it for guidelines on what to call something, don’t use it for how to write. #SocialChat -6:53 PM May 30th, 2011
JTDabbagian That is true. RT @aknecht: @NicWirtz Dont think a blogger would have uncovered Watergate. That took real journalists! #socialchat -6:52 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR @NicWirtz again, some of the new might have to wear off before advertisers will embrace new media like they do print & broadcast #SocialChat -6:52 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor @aknecht Unfortunately, somewhere along the line, newspapers totally lost the whole ‘investigation’ thing. #SocialChat -6:52 PM May 30th, 2011
melgallant ha! RT JTDabbagian: @socialmeteor Like a great blog rapture where only the strongest, most competent bloggers survive? #socialchat -6:52 PM May 30th, 2011
prsingleton RT @aknecht: @NicWirtz Don’t think a blogger would have uncovered Watergate. That took real journalists! #SocialChat -6:52 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR The problem is as orgs seek other payment models, ad numbers continue to fall = vicious cycle. #SocialChat -6:52 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht @NicWirtz Don’t think a blogger would have uncovered Watergate. That took real journalists! #SocialChat -6:52 PM May 30th, 2011
JTDabbagian They could be like iTunes and charge like, 10 cents an article. After that, you can view it forever. #socialchat -6:52 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht @socialmeteor Yes editorials gave an opinion. Journalist did investigations and reported on it. #SocialChat -6:51 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR If the answer is less than how much it costs to run a news org, we’re not going to have many choices. #SocialChat -6:51 PM May 30th, 2011
JTDabbagian @socialmeteor Like a great blog rapture where only the strongest, most competent bloggers survive? #socialchat -6:51 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR @NicWirtz Or how much advertisers will pay for all the eyeballs on great content … #SocialChat -6:51 PM May 30th, 2011
TheCellularGuy @NicWirtz @melgallant pay walls prove that old businesses arent changing their model just trying to fit it in a new space. #socialchat -6:51 PM May 30th, 2011
JTDabbagian @NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR And where do the content farms mix in for all of this? #socialchat -6:50 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor I’d like to see great bloggers and writers get paid good $$$. For that to happen. A lot of mediocrity needs to be eliminated. #socialchat -6:50 PM May 30th, 2011
prsingleton 4 Sure RT @NicWirtz: @SocialMichelleR A5 With a host of new content creators, readers are confused as to what news has become. #SocialChat -6:50 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR A5 The question to throw back out is “How much will the public pay to stay informed?” #SocialChat -6:50 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 RT @socialmeteor: @aknecht good insight. What used to set newspapers apart were the editorials. Today, we call those blog posts too. #SocialChat -6:50 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR A5 With a host of new content creators, readers are confused as to what news has become. #SocialChat -6:50 PM May 30th, 2011
TheCellularGuy RT @NicWirtz: RT @melgallant: @NicWirtz i don’t bother with pay walls. i just go elsewhere for the story #socialchat Precisely! -6:50 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 RT @aknecht: @NicWirtz Agree, nothing old days where 3 newspapers had 3 different points of view & perspective. #SocialChat -6:49 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR A5 The simple answer is both, if I can block ads why would anyone pay for them? #SocialChat -6:49 PM May 30th, 2011
JTDabbagian I’m just curious…how many PURE bloggers (No journalism or PR exp.) knew about AP format before they started blogging? #socialchat -6:49 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor @aknecht good insight. What used to set newspapers apart were the editorials. Today, we call those blog posts too. #SocialChat -6:49 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR A5 I’m not sure the public ever really knew what news was worth. #SocialChat -6:49 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 @socialmeteor Great point. I really don’t make any $$ myself right now. Just starting to get connected. #socialchat -6:49 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 RT @socialmeteor: Downside? journalists may need to begin like bloggers: unpaid. They need to build their own reputation & following to earn $$. #socialchat -6:48 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR RT @aknecht: @NicWirtz Agree, nothing old days where 3 newspapers had 3 different points of view & perspective. #SocialChat -6:48 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht @NicWirtz Agree, nothing old days where 3 newspapers had 3 different points of view & perspective. #SocialChat -6:48 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz RT @melgallant: @NicWirtz i don’t bother with pay walls. i just go elsewhere for the story #socialchat Precisely! -6:48 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor Downside? journalists may need to begin like bloggers: unpaid. They need to build their own reputation & following to earn $$. #socialchat -6:48 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @JTDabbagian tbf with the NYT at least they didn’t go hard paywall like the Murdoch papers. #socialchat -6:48 PM May 30th, 2011
JTDabbagian @NicWirtz @aknecht That’s more laziness than anything. Why cover a faraway sports even when AP will do it for you. #socialchat -6:47 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 Hmm I think it’s both. #Advertising is often sold to public as “breaking news, but we must weed it out ourselves #SocialChat -6:47 PM May 30th, 2011
PaulPinnacle @NicWirtz Journalism – “You want the truth? You can’t handle the truth!” coming to mind there #SocialChat -6:47 PM May 30th, 2011
PotatoPro The real problem is the discrepancy between what it costs to create a story and what it is worth… #socialchat -6:47 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht @socialmeteor except when they get hacked. Can we say “tupac alive in new zealand” http://bit.ly/kVC4E4 #SocialChat -6:47 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR RT @melgallant: @NicWirtz @aknecht theres something to be said for consistency. need the rules to break them, etc. 🙂 #SocialChat -6:47 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht How can that be healthy? #SocialChat -6:47 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht Look at sports reports after the baseball has finished tonight. Each major website will carry an AP report. #SocialChat -6:46 PM May 30th, 2011
melgallant @NicWirtz @aknecht there’s something to be said for consistency. need the rules to break them, etc. 🙂 #socialchat -6:46 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR @NicWirtz But having a tight writing style certainly doesn’t do any harm. #SocialChat -6:46 PM May 30th, 2011
JTDabbagian @SocialMichelleR Get the online version of the AP stylebook for $25, they tend to update A LOT. #socialchat -6:46 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht Yet once I left university I was encouraged to write “as if you’re talking to mates down the pub”. #SocialChat -6:46 PM May 30th, 2011
prsingleton @socialmeteor yeah but “the paper” is so 80’s & 2 temporally bound, which i think is part of the advantage of SM; & cred is key #socialchat -6:46 PM May 30th, 2011
melgallant @NicWirtz i was taught CP and AP style in my PR courses. we PR folk learn it too. 🙂 #socialchat -6:46 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 RT @SocialMichelleR: Q5 @NicWirtz is the advertising model for news broken or people’s perception of what news/journalism is worth that is broken? #SocialChat -6:46 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht For someone that writes “personally” the AP guide would say my style is wrong. #SocialChat -6:46 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht Agree RT @NicWirtz: I think one dominant style guide in an industry is unhealthy, it churns out writing robots. #SocialChat -6:45 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR @NicWirtz the AP stylebook is one that I’m planning on picking up for myself soon. #SocialChat -6:45 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor Blogger + newspaper is the sweet spot. Passionate writers. With editors, fact-checking, curation and revenue model. #socialchat -6:45 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht I think one dominant style guide in an industry is unhealthy, it churns out writing robots. #SocialChat -6:45 PM May 30th, 2011
melgallant @socialmeteor “Credibility and curation is the ‘paper’s contribution.” –> well said #socialchat -6:45 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht The AP stylebook is the one journalism students are taught in j-school, the one that even marketing/PR aspire to. #SocialChat -6:44 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR Q5 @NicWirtz is the advertising model for news broken or people’s perception of what news/journalism is worth that is broken? #SocialChat -6:44 PM May 30th, 2011
JTDabbagian Exactly. RT @PotatoPro: @JTDabbagian so who do you trust? #socialchat -6:44 PM May 30th, 2011
ianmrountree @JTDabbagian If they don’t like your blog, why would you want to write for them? cc @socialmeteor #socialchat -6:44 PM May 30th, 2011
JTDabbagian @PotatoPro Exactly. #socialchat -6:44 PM May 30th, 2011
JTDabbagian @NicWirtz @PaulPinnacle That’s why you rely on more than one, and not gamey stuff like Empire Avenue. #socialchat -6:44 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor @prsingleton Sure. I think that’s the role of the ‘paper.’ Credibility and curation is the ‘paper’s contribution. #socialchat -6:44 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht @NicWirtz Issue with ad revenue, companies will to shell out big $$ for 1/2 page print ad & only want to pay fraction for online #SocialChat -6:43 PM May 30th, 2011
prsingleton @socialmeteor providing background, context, you know…doing the research not just providing opinion (& i know lots do) #socialchat -6:43 PM May 30th, 2011
PotatoPro @JTDabbagian so who do you trust? #socialchat -6:43 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @PaulPinnacle I dislike any social metric as they are either easily gamed or inaccurate or both. #SocialChat -6:43 PM May 30th, 2011
JTDabbagian @ianmrountree @socialmeteor But if they don’t like your blog, you’re screwed. #socialchat -6:43 PM May 30th, 2011
prsingleton @socialmeteor I don’t disagree, I’m just saying that with all the blogging going on we still need folks doing their homework &.. #socialchat -6:42 PM May 30th, 2011
BarryBirkett Me! RT @jtdabbagian: To summarize this chat: If everyone was their own newspaper, who would you trust? #socialchat -6:42 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR Ad blockers destroy the ad revenue model. #SocialChat -6:42 PM May 30th, 2011
JTDabbagian @ianmrountree @socialmeteor Exactly. The newspaper is the power behind the news. If they don’t like the reporter, there’s others #socialchat -6:42 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR The problem is some online publications lost up to a third of their ad revenue 2010-11. #SocialChat -6:42 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor @IanMRountree Absolutely. Bloggers have value independent of the ‘paper’ they write for. They have more leverage for pay #socialchat -6:42 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht A4 The finance solution will involve a mix of advertising, possibly paywalls, micropayments. Whatever works. #SocialChat -6:42 PM May 30th, 2011
JTDabbagian To summarize this chat: If everyone was their own newspaper, who would you trust? #socialchat -6:42 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht @prsingleton afraid that includes me at times (can you say runon blog post) 🙂 #SocialChat -6:41 PM May 30th, 2011
ianmrountree @socialmeteor Disadvantage; the following may leave when the blogger does. #socialchat -6:41 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor @prsingleton Bloggers ARE the people. So they represent the people better than STAND-IN Journalists. #socialchat -6:41 PM May 30th, 2011
PaulPinnacle Blogging is open to everyone. Its greatest strength, variety of sources/opinions, and its greatest weakness, no quality control #SocialChat -6:41 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR RT @NicWirtz:A4 We now have very few sources covering major events . dangerous and a huge opportunity for bloggers. #SocialChat -6:41 PM May 30th, 2011
melgallant @socialmeteor exactly right #socialchat -6:41 PM May 30th, 2011
LastOrigIdea RT @NicWirtz: @aknecht A4 We now have very few sources covering major events which in itself is dangerous and a huge opportunity for bloggers. #SocialChat -6:40 PM May 30th, 2011
JTDabbagian @socialmeteor I must wholeheartedly disagree with that. I’ve seen a lot of endless blog entries from bloggers. #socialchat -6:40 PM May 30th, 2011
prsingleton Still need source 4 analysis RT @socialmeteor: Journalists can no longer be the ‘voice of the people’ in an age of blogging. #socialchat -6:40 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht A4 We now have very few sources covering major events which in itself is dangerous and a huge opportunity for bloggers. #SocialChat -6:40 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 @SocialMichelleR @socialmeteor Ugggh not true for me! I usually ramble on longer on my #blog than on any article! #SocialChat -6:40 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor @melgallant the advantage of leveraging bloggers is they bring a following with them. #socialchat -6:39 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht A4 I’m not sure the public will pay for news, especially not foreign news which is expensive. #SocialChat -6:39 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht RT @NicWirtz: @aknecht A4 There again, the Daily Mail has a 2.1m daily circulation and 4.7 claimed readership. #SocialChat -6:39 PM May 30th, 2011
JTDabbagian @socialmeteor They could always do what Demand Media does and farm crap content from crap writers reviewed by crap editors. #socialchat -6:39 PM May 30th, 2011
LastOrigIdea RT @NicWirtz: @aknecht The Daily Mail manages to fund a $35m + online edition entirely through online advertising. #SocialChat -6:39 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 RT @SocialMichelleR: Are we sure about that? RT @socialmeteor: Bloggers are better at brevity than journalists. Less baggage. #SocialChat -6:39 PM May 30th, 2011
melgallant @socialmeteor agree. as long as the writers they hire can write and have a compelling voice – papers will get their following #socialchat -6:39 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht It depends on the blogger RT @socialmeteor: Bloggers are better at brevity than journalists. Less baggage. #SocialChat -6:39 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht A4 There again, the Daily Mail has a 2.1m daily circulation and 4.7 claimed readership. #SocialChat -6:39 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR Are we sure about that? RT @socialmeteor: Bloggers are better at brevity than journalists. Less baggage. #SocialChat -6:39 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht The Daily Mail manages to fund a $35m + online edition entirely through online advertising. #SocialChat -6:38 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor Bloggers are better at brevity than journalists. Less baggage. #socialchat -6:38 PM May 30th, 2011
JTDabbagian @NicWirtz @aknecht That’s ALWAYS the point! A paper w/o readers = A blog w/o readers = worthless! #socialchat -6:38 PM May 30th, 2011
melgallant @NicWirtz i don’t bother with pay walls. i just go elsewhere for the story #socialchat -6:38 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor If newspapers fact check, edit, and curate — who cares if they get the content from passionate bloggers or j-school grads? #socialchat -6:37 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht @lindseywiebe Here’s a link to who’s on the next few #socialchat http://socialparler.com/upcoming-events/ -6:37 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR @lindseywiebe We have our moments of brilliance 😉 cc: @aknecht #SocialChat -6:37 PM May 30th, 2011
JTDabbagian @NicWirtz @aknecht Which again is why the NY Times would work better as a freemium paper. Only the hardcore would need to pay. #socialchat -6:37 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht A4 In the 90s everyone was trying to build readership, perhaps that is not the principal aim now. #SocialChat -6:37 PM May 30th, 2011
melgallant yep RT @JTDabbagian: @socialmeteor @NicWirtz AP does one thing right: Brevity. People don’t like long-winded shit. #socialchat -6:37 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht A4 However, in net 1.0 there was no payment culture and the facilities to do so were inadequate. #SocialChat -6:37 PM May 30th, 2011
ianmrountree @lindseywiebe There is always next time. 🙂 8pm our time Mondays. cc @NicWirtz #socialchat -6:36 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht RT @BarryBirkett: It is hard at times to get full, real stories now – if journalism died we’d have to work through SO many sources to get it all. #socialchat -6:36 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht A4 Hard paywalls cannot work, it still only takes one individual to break a paywall. #SocialChat -6:36 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht RT @JTDabbagian: @socialmeteor @NicWirtz AP does one thing right: Brevity. People dont like long-winded shit. #SocialChat -6:36 PM May 30th, 2011
lindseywiebe @IanMRountree @NicWirtz #socialchat is a great idea. Sorry I haven’t been able to take part so far. Hope to next time around. -6:36 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht A4 We tried paywalls in the 90s, they didn’t work then. Restricting access lowers advertising revenue. #SocialChat -6:36 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR RT @JTDabbagian: @socialmeteor @NicWirtz AP does one thing right: Brevity. People dont like long-winded shit. #SocialChat -6:36 PM May 30th, 2011
JTDabbagian @socialmeteor @NicWirtz AP does one thing right: Brevity. People don’t like long-winded shit. #socialchat -6:35 PM May 30th, 2011
BarryBirkett It is hard at times to get full, real stories now – if journalism died we’d have to work through SO many sources to get it all. #socialchat -6:35 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR RT @JTDabbagian: Papers should do freemium services – Enough of the good paper for normal stuff, and extra when you need it. #SocialChat -6:35 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht A4 I’m tempted to say if I knew the answer to that I’d be off making it a reality! #SocialChat -6:35 PM May 30th, 2011
JTDabbagian @NicWirtz @socialmeteor Because the AP style is quicker and more lenient than say…MLA or APA formats. #socialchat -6:35 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht A4 The simple answer is with great difficulty. #SocialChat -6:34 PM May 30th, 2011
JTDabbagian Papers should do freemium services – Enough of the good paper for normal stuff, and extra when you need it. #socialchat -6:34 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor @NicWirtz AP-based Newspapers need to fail. They all tell the same story in an age where stories only need to be told once. #socialchat -6:34 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht @NicWirtz Can you expand on the AP hold on journalism? #SocialChat -6:34 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @socialmeteor When everyone refers to the AP stylebook, you have a monopoly, that isn’t good for learning styles. #socialchat -6:34 PM May 30th, 2011
JTDabbagian @SocialMichelleR @aknecht @NicWirtz The same way it’s always survived…adaptation. Many papers base on freemium services. #socialchat -6:34 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR RT @NicWirtz: look at the contrasting answers at http://bit.ly/fCrEMD. I am not a “storyteller”. #SocialChat -6:33 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @socialmeteor The power AP holds over journalism training is something that holds the industry back imo. #socialchat -6:33 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor blogs already provide best example of journalism in verticle markets (@engadget @gizmodo etc) . #socialchat -6:33 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 RT @SocialMichelleR: @Laurita86 I’d call that responsible blogging #Disclaimer #SocialChat -6:33 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR RT @aknecht: Q4 @NicWirtz expansion of social media & ppl not willing to pay for online News how can journalism survive? #SocialChat -6:33 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR Great point, look at the contrasting answers at http://bit.ly/fCrEMD. I am not a “storyteller”. #SocialChat -6:33 PM May 30th, 2011
PaulPinnacle @NicWirtz Do you feel the ‘page view journalism’, rife today, is hurting the role/industry or only the culprits? #SocialChat -6:33 PM May 30th, 2011
prsingleton @BarryBirkett fair enough #socialchat -6:32 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR @Laurita86 I’d call that responsible blogging #Disclaimer #SocialChat -6:32 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR @NicWirtz So they’ve gone from advertisers in print to advertisers online… #SocialChat -6:31 PM May 30th, 2011
ianmrountree @socialmeteor What are some of the most destructive paradigms you’d like to see go? #socialchat -6:31 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht Q4 @NicWirtz With expansion of social media & ppl not willing to pay for online News services how can journalism survive? #SocialChat -6:31 PM May 30th, 2011
JTDabbagian @socialmeteor Yes they can, moreso to people who don’t trust bloggers. #socialchat -6:31 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @PaulPinnacle When you lose 15000 jobs in newsrooms in one year, I think fear would be tangible. #SocialChat -6:31 PM May 30th, 2011
BarryBirkett @prsingleton Interpr of facts adds reporting of opinion regarding the fact, which is only as good as reputation of reporter. #socialchat -6:31 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 @SocialMichelleR Good point! At least that’s what I try to do. I even put a disclosure on my site. #SocialChat -6:31 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR And if they can monetise what they produce to earn a living. #SocialChat -6:30 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor Journalists can no longer be the ‘voice of the people’ in an age of blogging. #socialchat -6:30 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor @NicWirtz I’m on the alumni board for my j-school. Hard to let go of old journalism paradigms. Has to be done, tho #socialchat -6:30 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht Absolutely, although you could argue his reporting got too close to the subject, which is a traditional no-no. #SocialChat -6:30 PM May 30th, 2011
lttlewys RT @samfiorella: @IanMRountree correct, blogs seem to cross PR, Marketing and Journalism in definition? #socialchat -6:29 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR RT @socialmeteor: Problem: the term ‘journalist’ defined by place of employment. Fewer jobs at newspapers doesnt mean less good content. #SocialChat -6:29 PM May 30th, 2011
prsingleton RT @NicWirtz: @ianmrountree Everyone can report, not everyone is a journalist. #socialchat -6:29 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor Problem: the term ‘journalist’ defined by place of employment. Fewer jobs at newspapers doesnt mean less good content. #SocialChat -6:29 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht RT @ianmrountree: Important. RT @NicWirtz: @ianmrountree Everyone can report, not everyone is a journalist. #SocialChat -6:29 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @socialmeteor It’s nice to think that hierarchy will work, interesting point about audience. That could be the future. #socialchat -6:29 PM May 30th, 2011
prsingleton @PotatoPro I use the word “facts” loosely. Essentially I’m thinking an accurate presentation of the various sides/dimensions #socialchat -6:29 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR True that! RT @NicWirtz: Journalism skills apply to everyone that communicates. Social media exacerbates this. #SocialChat -6:29 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht RT @NicWirtz: @SocialMichelleR Journalism skills apply to everyone that communicates. Social media exacerbates this. #SocialChat -6:28 PM May 30th, 2011
ianmrountree Important. RT @NicWirtz: @ianmrountree Everyone can report, not everyone is a journalist. #socialchat -6:28 PM May 30th, 2011
PotatoPro RT @NicWirtz: @PaulPinnacle Oops, 10% fewer journalists in 2010 than 2009. Fear that the industry is in decline.>>free fall #socialchat -6:28 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR Journalism skills apply to everyone that communicates. Social media exacerbates this. #SocialChat -6:28 PM May 30th, 2011
PaulPinnacle @NicWirtz To be fair, the data backs up the fear for some. If they’re not adapting and evolving… they’ve justified fear. #SocialChat -6:28 PM May 30th, 2011
RachelsRantings RT @socialmeteor: MY perfect newspapers w/be staffed by PAID bloggers, earning their spot by building readership w/good writing & engagement. #socialchat -6:28 PM May 30th, 2011
littlemissmocha Interesting convo going on for #socialchat. I’ll be peeking back in a bit. ; ) -6:28 PM May 30th, 2011
richandcreamy I suppose I’m a reporter then! #socialchat -6:28 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR @NicWirtz I have to wonder if these talented writers are finding homes in the blogosphere #SocialChat -6:27 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht RT @SocialMichelleR: Bloggers need to be responsible and upfront about where they personally stand on the issues they trumpet. #SocialChat -6:27 PM May 30th, 2011
richandcreamy RT @jimhedger: @ianmroiuntree #socialchat – reporting is covering events and writing what you see. Journalism is working a story. (in my exp) #SocialChat -6:27 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @ianmrountree Everyone can report, not everyone is a journalist. #socialchat -6:27 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 RT @SocialMichelleR: @Laurita86 Bloggers need to be responsible and upfront about where they personally stand on the issues they trumpet. #SocialChat -6:27 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @PaulPinnacle Oops, 10% fewer journalists in 2010 than 2009. Fear that the industry is in decline. #SocialChat -6:27 PM May 30th, 2011
BarryBirkett +1 RT @socialmeteor: …role of newspapers is to provide editing (curation) and fact-checking (credibility) to good writers #socialchat -6:27 PM May 30th, 2011
PotatoPro @prsingleton I don’t believe in something as objective as “the facts”. “Your facts” might not be the same as “my facts” #socialchat -6:26 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @PaulPinnacle Absolutely, fear they’re going to lose their jobs – 10 #SocialChat -6:26 PM May 30th, 2011
phdinparenting RT @socialmeteor: MY perfect newspapers w/be staffed by PAID bloggers, earning their spot by building readership w/good writing & engagement. #socialchat -6:26 PM May 30th, 2011
ianmrountree @jimhedger Share a link for the wrap-up? Would love to read it. 🙂 #SocialChat -6:26 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR @Laurita86 Bloggers need to be responsible and upfront about where they personally stand on the issues they trumpet. #SocialChat -6:26 PM May 30th, 2011
rpachter RT @socialmeteor: I read that book too -> RT @SocialMichelleR: Top notch bloggers… = good journalism in my book #SocialChat -6:26 PM May 30th, 2011
prsingleton How so? RT @BarryBirkett: @socialmeteor Once you start adding…separation from SM is thin at best. #socialchat -6:26 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht @NicWirtz Clearly a difference between reporting the facts vs journalism in Joplin. So do need reporters in the age of twitter #SocialChat -6:26 PM May 30th, 2011
PaulPinnacle The only true limitation of any social platform is the user. It’s all about how you use it, 140 characters or not. #SocialChat -6:26 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR A3 It just makes curation even more important. #SocialChat -6:25 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor @BarryBirkett I think the role of newspapers is to provide editing (curation) and fact-checking (credibility) to good writers #socialchat -6:25 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR @melgallant hey Mel! wouldn’t be the same without you #SocialChat -6:25 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR A3 With hashtags and through consistent updates it is possible to “live report” through Twitter. #SocialChat -6:25 PM May 30th, 2011
jimhedger @aknecht I’m blogging my thoughts about this chat now on our blog Alan. 😉 #SocialChat -6:25 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 @SocialMichelleR What’s your take on importance of objectivity & cause-blogging? #SocialChat -6:25 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR A3 http://bit.ly/jSpwsZ is an emotive post by the reporter explaining his experiences. #socialchat -6:25 PM May 30th, 2011
melgallant finally joining in on this week’s social chat! #socialchat -6:25 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor I read that book too -> RT @SocialMichelleR: Top notch bloggers… = good journalism in my book #SocialChat -6:25 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR RT @lindaperrybarr: Hi everyone! Want to share http://bit.ly/l3MxtA @BrianStelter‘s tumbler on using twitter to cover #Joplin and lessons learned #socialchat -6:24 PM May 30th, 2011
BarryBirkett @socialmeteor Once you start adding analysis, an interpretation of facts, separation from SM is thin at best. #socialchat -6:24 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 RT @SocialMichelleR: Top notch bloggers are well researched & KNOW what they are writing about = good journalism in my book #SocialChat -6:24 PM May 30th, 2011
lindaperrybarr Hi everyone! Want to share http://bit.ly/l3MxtA @BrianStelter‘s tumbler on using twitter to cover #Joplin and lessons learned #socialchat -6:24 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR Top notch bloggers are well researched & KNOW what they are writing about = good journalism in my book #SocialChat -6:24 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht For those who don’t know @jimhedger he’s the host of Webcology on Webmaster Radio & reports on Internet news 😉 #SocialChat -6:23 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR A3 However, during the events in Joplin, an NYT reporter admitted his best reporting was done on Twitter. #SocialChat -6:23 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR RT @socialmeteor: newspapers staffed by PAID bloggers, earning their spot by building readership w/good writing & engagement. #SocialChat -6:23 PM May 30th, 2011
prsingleton Nice! ~> RT @NicWirtz: @SocialMichelleR A3 Reporting news on Twitter is akin to shouting headlines at each other. #SocialChat -6:23 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR There’s far too much confusion over definitions with the advent of so many content creators. #SocialChat -6:22 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht RT @jimhedger: @ianmroiuntree #socialchat – reporting is covering events and writing what you see. Journalism is working a story. (in my exp) #SocialChat -6:22 PM May 30th, 2011
jimhedger @ianmroiuntree #socialchat – reporting is covering events and writing what you see. Journalism is working a story. (in my exp) #SocialChat -6:22 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor MY perfect newspapers w/be staffed by PAID bloggers, earning their spot by building readership w/good writing & engagement. #socialchat -6:22 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht RT @NicWirtz: @SocialMichelleR A3 Reporting news on Twitter is akin to shouting headlines at each other. #SocialChat -6:21 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR For instance the Bin Laden raid, the context of those that witnessed it only came after, through journalism. #SocialChat -6:21 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR RT @NicWirtz: @SocialMichelleR A3 Reporting news on Twitter is akin to shouting headlines at each other. #SocialChat -6:21 PM May 30th, 2011
prsingleton RT +1 @socialmeteor: ‘ factual reporting of news w/o analysis’ is transcribing. It’s not journalism. #socialchat -6:21 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR A3 Reporting news on Twitter is akin to shouting headlines at each other. #SocialChat -6:21 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR A3 The social networker may feel informed as they know what happened but not in context. #SocialChat -6:21 PM May 30th, 2011
ianmrountree Well said. RT @socialmeteor: ‘ factual reporting of news w/o analysis’ is transcribing. It’s not journalism. #socialchat -6:20 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR @NicWirtz the tenants of traditional journalist practices certainly apply to social media #SocialChat -6:20 PM May 30th, 2011
prsingleton @PotatoPro Perhaps, but openly exploring a subject and accurately reporting the facts is part of the need/point. #socialchat -6:20 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR A3 It’s nigh on impossible to give any depth on Twitter. No contextualisation, no quotes. #SocialChat -6:20 PM May 30th, 2011
ianmrountree @samfiorella We get into trouble crossing our verbs with our nouns. A blog is a place, a practice of work, and a style. Danger. #socialchat -6:20 PM May 30th, 2011
ianmrountree Sidequestion: Is there a difference between reporting and journalism as practices? If so, define? #socialchat -6:19 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR A3 The funny thing about this is I’m torn between what traditional journalism is and what tools we have now. #SocialChat -6:19 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht Agree RT @socialmeteor: factual reporting of news w/o analysis is transcribing. Its not journalism. #SocialChat -6:19 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR AGREE! RT @NicWirtz: @SocialMichelleR doesnt excuse not leading a communications industry when you are a communicator though. #SocialChat -6:19 PM May 30th, 2011
PaulPinnacle @SocialMichelleR @NicWirtz Ever feel there is a fear among journalists now that everyone can publish & have their voice heard? #SocialChat -6:19 PM May 30th, 2011
ianmrountree @JosephStash So we’re crossing our verbs and nouns again. Not a bad thing, just glad we’re aware of it. 🙂 #socialchat -6:19 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor ‘ factual reporting of news w/o analysis’ is transcribing. It’s not journalism. #socialchat -6:18 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 RT @PotatoPro: @prsingleton @aknecht @Laurita86 even (scientific) research is not objective… #socialchat -6:18 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR That doesn’t excuse not leading a communications industry when you are a communicator though. #SocialChat -6:18 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR Q3 @NicWirtz simply reporting an event via tiwtter isn’t journalism, so how do you convince ppl who believe otherwise? #SocialChat -6:18 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR Precisely the problem, we’ve never had live feedback before. It scares the traditionalists. #SocialChat -6:18 PM May 30th, 2011
PotatoPro @prsingleton @aknecht @Laurita86 even (scientific) research is not objective… #socialchat -6:18 PM May 30th, 2011
BarryBirkett If you define journalism as the factual reporting of news w/o analysis, I feel we still need it to know what’s REALLY happening. #socialchat -6:18 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @PaulPinnacle It also results in the entertainment-biased news agenda we have now. #ScaryTrend #SocialChat -6:18 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR RT @NicWirtz: @SocialMichelleR Id consider this petrifying You could argue its live reporting or were group sharing information. #SocialChat -6:17 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 @aknecht Hmmm very interesting point! A test in true objectivity, I’m sure. =) #SocialChat -6:17 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht RT @ianmrountree: PO: I would HOPE that journalists are on a mission, not hunting a cheque. the same way teachers should be on a mission. #socialchat -6:17 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 RT @aknecht: @Laurita86 Objective to me: researching facts & not being afraid to publish them when they go against what you set out to prove #SocialChat -6:17 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @JosephStash Exactly. We’re all part of media. #socialchat -6:17 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR Journalists, like many others, are used to broadcasting their thoughts without further commentary. #SocialChat -6:17 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR We’re doing what humans do, band together in groups of shared interest. #SocialChat -6:16 PM May 30th, 2011
JosephStash @IanMRountree there are journalists who blog and bloggers who practice journalism. There is poor journalism and poor blogging. #socialchat -6:16 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR I’d consider this petrifying 🙂 You could argue it’s live reporting or we’re group sharing information. #SocialChat -6:16 PM May 30th, 2011
prsingleton RT @aknecht: @Laurita86 Objective to me: researching facts & not being afraid to publish them when they go against what you set out to prove #SocialChat -6:16 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht RT @PaulPinnacle: In the effort to entertain, modern journalism too often forgets the importance of accuracy too #ScaryTrend #SocialChat -6:16 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR @NicWirtz could it be that they are not accustomed to the conversation? #SocialChat -6:16 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht If journalists can’t do social media I wonder why they journalists in the first place. #SocialChat -6:15 PM May 30th, 2011
JosephStash @IanMRountree if you write an expose of a big organisation on a blog is it journalism? Of course it is. #socialchat -6:15 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor Absolutely! –> RT @JosephStash: what journalists should focus on is good judgement. Being neutral or objective is impossible. #socialchat -6:15 PM May 30th, 2011
ianmrountree PO: I would HOPE that journalists are on a mission, not hunting a cheque. the same way teachers should be on a mission. #socialchat -6:15 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht I’d agree with Jo White, journalism is communication. So why haven’t journalists taken the lead in social media? #SocialChat -6:15 PM May 30th, 2011
JosephStash However, what journalists should focus on is good judgement. Being neutral or objective is impossible. #socialchat -6:15 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht @Laurita86 Objective to me: researching facts & not being afraid to publish them when they go against what you set out to prove #SocialChat -6:15 PM May 30th, 2011
prsingleton Hmm, interesting point… RT @PotatoPro: Things only seem objective if you share the same perspective as the writer #socialchat -6:14 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor I think we all did. Not for the $$ –> RT @nicwirtz …I got into the industry with the desire to inform the public. #SocialChat -6:14 PM May 30th, 2011
ianmrountree @socialmeteor Then I absolutely agree. But can objectivism (critical thinking with disclosure) exist with passionate expression? #socialchat -6:14 PM May 30th, 2011
PaulPinnacle @NicWirtz In the effort to entertain, modern journalism too often forgets the importance of accuracy too #ScaryTrend #SocialChat -6:14 PM May 30th, 2011
JosephStash There is no such thing as objective journalism. This is no bad thing. It’s just accepting human nature. #socialchat -6:14 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht Elements of Journalism by Bill Kovach and Tom Rosentiel lists 10 elements of journalism. See http://bit.ly/k3U5J6 #SocialChat -6:14 PM May 30th, 2011
samfiorella @IanMRountree correct, blogs seem to cross PR, Marketing and Journalism in definition? #socialchat -6:14 PM May 30th, 2011
PotatoPro Things only seem objective if you share the same perspective as the writer #socialchat -6:14 PM May 30th, 2011
ianmrountree @JosephStash Lots of people argue that blogging is a content type, the way authorship or essay writing is. Agree/not? #socialchat -6:14 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 @SocialMichelleR Is there even such a thing as *objective* #journalism? Can there be such a thing w/ humans in charge? #socialchat -6:13 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht Like many aspiring journalists I got into the industry with the desire to inform the public. #SocialChat -6:13 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor @IanMRountree by biased journalism, I mean journalism with passion, critical thinking and forethought. ‘unbiased’ is lazy. #socialchat -6:13 PM May 30th, 2011
ianmrountree @samfiorella Do you mean to ask which blogs are? Journalism or PR? Or did I misunderstand? #socialchat -6:12 PM May 30th, 2011
PotatoPro @LastOrigIdea @NicWirtz @aknecht Don’t bother about objectivity, it is an illusion… #socialchat -6:12 PM May 30th, 2011
prsingleton Totally Agree! RT @SocialMichelleR Personally Im pretty old school about journalism being a report of what goes on in the world. #SocialChat -6:12 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht RT @SocialMichelleR: @NicWirtz would you consider this live interview journalism? #SocialChat -6:12 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht however, I accept it’s easier to educate when you’re entertaining! #SocialChat -6:12 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR RT @NicWirtz: @aknecht Journalism should be objective, its role is to inform, educating would be something to aspire to too. #SocialChat -6:12 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 RT @aknecht: RT @NicWirtz: @prsingleton Im not sure why PR would want to consider itself journalism or vice versa. #SocialChat -6:12 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht What journalism does not have to do but this appears to have been lost along the way, is to entertain. #SocialChat -6:12 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR Personally, I’m pretty old school about journalism being a report of what goes on in the world. #SocialChat -6:12 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht Journalism should be objective, its role is to inform, educating would be something to aspire to too. #SocialChat -6:12 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 @aknecht Hi! Thank you! #socialchat -6:12 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht RT @NicWirtz: @prsingleton Im not sure why PR would want to consider itself journalism or vice versa. #SocialChat -6:12 PM May 30th, 2011
lttlewys RT @NicWirtz: @socialmeteor I had exactly the same experience and as journalism degrees were new, was viewed suspiciously by the industry. #socialchat -6:11 PM May 30th, 2011
JosephStash Bloggers vs journalists debate shouldn’t be taking place in 2011. You’re defined by the content you produce, not the platform. #socialchat -6:11 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @prsingleton I’m not sure why PR would want to consider itself journalism or vice versa. #SocialChat -6:11 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht @Laurita86 So jump right in and join us!! #SocialChat -6:11 PM May 30th, 2011
ianmrountree @socialmeteor By bias, do you mean financially-influenced, or visibly emotional and expressive? #socialchat -6:11 PM May 30th, 2011
samfiorella @socialmeteor good point. SM = too much content? POV required today over being objective? #socialchat -6:11 PM May 30th, 2011
BarryBirkett @nicwirtz: Seems some blogs gaining credibility for lack of bias as skepticism of trad media for bias grows #SocialChat -6:11 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR @NicWirtz would you consider this live interview journalism? #SocialChat -6:10 PM May 30th, 2011
Laurita86 Hi! I’m new to #SocialChat. Would like to join you, though. =) -6:10 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor @aknecht –> @JosephStash said it well. Unbiased news is an illusion. #socialchat -6:10 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @ianmrountree Ideally both would be allowed, whether it fits into company policy, I’d say that would be rare. #SocialChat -6:10 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor I@aknecht –> @JosephStash said it well. Unbiased news is an illusion. #socialchat -6:10 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR RT @NicWirtz: @SocialMichelleR Brand journalism relatively new as an industry, perhaps marketing with a journalism twist? #SocialChat -6:10 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @socialmeteor I had exactly the same experience and as journalism degrees were new, was viewed suspiciously by the industry. #socialchat -6:10 PM May 30th, 2011
prsingleton @NicWirtz would PR even be considered “journalism” if the aim is promote rather than inform/educate/discuss per se? #SocialChat -6:09 PM May 30th, 2011
JosephStash @socialmeteor I don’t think you should use the term biased, but objective journalism is a myth. Also problematic for educators. #socialchat -6:09 PM May 30th, 2011
samfiorella A1: Seems the same question can be asked about blogs – journalism or PR? “Being Objective” is the fine line? #socialchat -6:09 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht @socialmeteor So are you advocating the return to Yellow Journalism aka R. Hearst? #SocialChat -6:09 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR Brand journalism is still relatively new as an industry, perhaps marketing with a journalism twist? #SocialChat -6:09 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht It still aims to give the brand publicity but perhaps in a more honest way than the industry is used to. #SocialChat -6:08 PM May 30th, 2011
ianmrountree @NicWirtz Do you mean criticizing the host brand, or praising a competitor? Sometimes one is allowed, the other not. #SocialChat -6:08 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor I think some of the best journalism is biased journalism. traditional journalism is bland. #socialchat -6:08 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht Brand journalism differs from PR in its writing style, the hopeful lack of spin and objectivity. #SocialChat -6:08 PM May 30th, 2011
LastOrigIdea RT @NicWirtz: @aknecht A1 PR or brand journalism cn only B tru reporting if its objective. How many companies wld allow that? #SocialChat -6:08 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht @JosephStash Hi don’t just lurk – participate & engage – it’s a lot of fun #socialchat -6:08 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @Martha_Kang Chat about social media, we’re doing “Do we still need journalists?” tonight. #socialchat -6:07 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR RT @socialmeteor: Q1. In my J-School PR students werent viewed as journalists (then). The same school doesnt consider bloggers journalists (now) #socialchat -6:07 PM May 30th, 2011
PotatoPro RT @NicWirtz: @aknecht A1 Its a .. topical question given that brand journalism is potentially what many reporters end up doing #socialchat -6:06 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht Since everyone is asking Let’s at this to Q1 – Q2 @NicWirtz Could you provide your definition of journalism? #SocialChat #SocialChat -6:06 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR RT @NicWirtz: A1 PR or brand journalism can only be true reporting if it is objective. How many companies would allow that? #SocialChat -6:06 PM May 30th, 2011
ianmrountree @samfiorella Very salient. #socialchat -6:06 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor Q1. In my J-School PR students werent viewed as journalists (then). The same school doesnt consider bloggers journalists (now) #socialchat -6:06 PM May 30th, 2011
JosephStash Will probably lurk in #socialchat for a bit while I have time. Hi all. -6:06 PM May 30th, 2011
BarryBirkett I love hearing responses to this! RT @samfiorella: How are we defining journalism today? #socialchat #PR -6:06 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht A1 PR or brand journalism can only be true reporting if it is objective. How many companies would allow that? #SocialChat -6:06 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR @NicWirtz define “brand journalism” ? #SocialChat -6:05 PM May 30th, 2011
samfiorella shut up Sam!! RT @aknecht: @samfiorella We’ll get to that question in about 3 minutes – good point #SocialChat -6:05 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht @NicWirtz Can you expand on brand journalism vs pr? #SocialChat -6:05 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @aknecht A1 It’s a very topical question given that brand journalism is potentially what many reporters end up doing. #SocialChat -6:05 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht @samfiorella We’ll get to that question in about 3 minutes – good point #SocialChat -6:04 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR @NicWirtz LOL in other words you’re too verbose for the jocks 😉 #SocialChat -6:04 PM May 30th, 2011
samfiorella How are we defining journalism today? #socialchat #PR -6:04 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @SocialMichelleR I am a reporter too but string too many sentences together for sports journalism 🙂 #SocialChat -6:04 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR @Martha_Kang we are a weekly chat centered on social media and social media marketing #SocialChat -6:03 PM May 30th, 2011
PaulPinnacle @socialmeteor And jump to http://tweetchat.com/room/SocialChat to follow #SocialChat #SocialChat -6:03 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht Q1 @NicWirtz Do you consider PR journalism actual journalism or is it just coporate PR? #SocialChat #SocialChat -6:03 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht @socialmeteor Right back at you #Thanks #SocialChat -6:03 PM May 30th, 2011
Martha_Kang @NicWirtz What’s #socialchat? -6:03 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor Follow @aknecht ? check. Follow @SocialMichelleR ? check. Follow @NicWirtz ? check. Let’s roll with #SocialChat -6:02 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR Please welcome our guest @NicWirtz Journalism graduate with 15 years in online communities #SocialChat -6:02 PM May 30th, 2011
prsingleton Looking forward to #SocialChat, umm…now. Thought provoking post BTW, @NicWirtz -6:02 PM May 30th, 2011
ianmrountree Hello #socialchat! Quite ready to talk journalism and social media. 🙂 Bring it on. -6:02 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht Get ready I think @NicWirtz position may surprise a few of you. #SocialChat -6:02 PM May 30th, 2011
PaulPinnacle Hello, especially for you @SocialMichelleR as you asked so nicely 😉 #SocialChat -6:02 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht Is everyone ready for tonight’s topic? Do we need Journalists in the age of Social Media. W/ guest @nicwirtz #SocialChat -6:01 PM May 30th, 2011
jimhedger @aknecht cool, looking forward to it. hi there @SocialMichelleR. #SocialChat -6:00 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR As we come up to the top of the hour please tweet in and say hello #SocialChat -6:00 PM May 30th, 2011
socialmeteor At the ready for #socialchat -6:00 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz Hi all. Think we’re going to have a good one. #socialchat -5:59 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR for those of you new to #SocialChat @aknecht and I are your co-hosts -5:59 PM May 30th, 2011
ianmrountree @SocialMichelleR Ready and waiting. 🙂 #SocialChat -5:58 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht @jimhedger Welcome think you’re going to have a great time tonight #SocialChat -5:58 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR hey @jimhedger good to meet you! #SocialChat -5:58 PM May 30th, 2011
jimhedger howdy @aknecht #SocialChat -5:57 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR Hey @ianmrountree we will be starting in about 5 minutes. #SocialChat -5:56 PM May 30th, 2011
ianmrountree Checking in, to #socialchat – Hi everybody! -5:55 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht RT @SocialMichelleR: While you’re getting all psyched about #SocialChat be sure to check out the web site http://bit.ly/hBpNaH & Facebook http://on.fb.me/m6ioyf -5:53 PM May 30th, 2011
hugoguzman RT @aknecht: 15 minutes to #SocialChat with this week’s guest @NicWirtz http://tweetchat.com/room/SocialChat -5:51 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR While you’re getting all psyched about #SocialChat be sure to check out the web site http://bit.ly/hBpNaH & Facebook http://on.fb.me/m6ioyf -5:47 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht @ivanmelvin Thanks will try and give it a read before chat sharts #socialchat -5:45 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht 15 minutes to #SocialChat with this week’s guest @NicWirtz http://tweetchat.com/room/SocialChat -5:44 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR 20 minutes until the official start of #socialChat -5:42 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz @highvelocitybuz It’ll be better than going quietly into the night as a profession. #socialchat -5:39 PM May 30th, 2011
highvelocitybuz RT @NicWirtz: If you’re at a loss with no #journchat, come to #socialchat. We’re discussing if journalists are really wanted? 9 pm EDT. -5:37 PM May 30th, 2011
highvelocitybuz @NicWirtz Wow. Discussing if journalists are really wanted? Gulp. So, should journalists be at #socialchat? -5:37 PM May 30th, 2011
SocialMichelleR RT @NicWirtz: If you’re at a loss with no #journchat, come to #socialchat. We’re discussing if journalists are really wanted? 9 pm EDT. -5:34 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz If you’re at a loss with no #journchat, come to #socialchat. We’re discussing if journalists are really wanted? 9 pm EDT. -5:14 PM May 30th, 2011
NicWirtz RT @IanMRountree: Just about an hour until #socialchat – read up here: http://bit.ly/jZVbEF -5:10 PM May 30th, 2011
ianmrountree Just about an hour until #socialchat – read up here: http://bit.ly/jZVbEF via @NicWirtz -5:06 PM May 30th, 2011
ivanmelvin @aknecht U might already have read this. Timely for #socialchat 2night. No Twitter is not a replacement for journalism http://bit.ly/iV8Unx -4:46 PM May 30th, 2011
Rosemontwriter RT @lisabuyer: Tonight at 9pm EDT (Memorial Day) on #SocialChat; Do we need Journalists in the age of Social Media?; w/ guest @NicWirtz via @aknecht -3:13 PM May 30th, 2011
lisabuyer Tonight at 9pm EDT (Memorial Day) on #SocialChat; Do we need Journalists in the age of Social Media?; w/ guest @NicWirtz via @aknecht -3:00 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht @prosperitygal Unfortunately, didn’t find this list when I was planning #SocialChat -1:25 PM May 30th, 2011
highvelocitybuz @aknecht I”m pretty sure I’ll be there! #socialchat -1:12 PM May 30th, 2011
highvelocitybuz RT @aknecht: @highvelocitybuz Well I hope you join us tonight. It’s going be a great night as usual #socialchat -1:12 PM May 30th, 2011
prosperitygal http://bit.ly/lHIwyl here is twitter chat list @aknecht #SocialChat -12:57 PM May 30th, 2011
Sparkle_Agency RT @aknecht: @prosperitygal Monday night was the only night that worked for me & my co-host. 9pm seem to be the best time slot as well #SocialChat -12:57 PM May 30th, 2011
aknecht @prosperitygal Monday night was the only night that worked for me & my co-host. 9pm seem to be the best time slot as well #SocialChat -12:53 PM May 30th, 2011
prosperitygal @aknecht yes a lot of people who come to >>> #Speakchat would love #socialchat since they keep tweeting our hashtags 😉 -12:02 PM May 30th, 2011
